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Hello? Hello, is this Major Keenoh? Yes. This is Bob Rourke, WPIN Radio in St. Petersburg,

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Florida. I'm live on the air right now and the people out there are listening. I've

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already told them I was calling you to hand your capacity in nightcap. How are you this

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morning, sir? Fine, fine, thank you for calling, Mr. Rourke. Is your family well? Yes, yes,

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good. I'm surprised to catch you there. I understand that you've been pretty busy with

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lecture series around the country. Yes, and some broadcast and so on. It's been a big outbreak of

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sightings as you probably know. I wanted to ask you about those most recent sightings now,

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if you could give us a little idea on them and then we'll go a little bit further into nightcap.

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Well, one important sighting you took place down at the Space Agency base at Wallops Island in

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Virginia where a strange object was seen flying over the area at very high speed. Now, this was

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the principal witness in this case was Mr. Dempsey Bruton, who was the chief of satellite tracking

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at this base. He saw this object and checked the time with another witness and they computed the

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speed at about 8,000 miles an hour. This also brought out an earlier sighting that had taken

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place in the area in October when an object had been seen making a very sharp right angle turn at

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several thousand miles an hour. Something is completely impossible for any type of missile or

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jet that we have. That's one case. Excuse me, was this at Wallops Island area? Yes. This is

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where they have all of the sophisticated equipment to do this type of tracking. That's right. It's

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a very up-to-date Space Agency station. That's where they release the echo, balloons and so on.

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Was this a visual sighting as well as an electronic sighting?

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The visual sighting, yes, by Mr. Bruton and several other witnesses in the area.

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And was it tracked electronically?

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No, it was not tracked electronically. It came in so fast that before they had time,

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usually those things have to be set up before they had time to get aligned on it while it was

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going. However, there was another one that was tracked by radar Navy operators at

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Potuxent, Maryland. That's the big Navy test center. They tracked two UFOs maneuvering some

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distance from the station. One of these was seen to make a 160 degree turn while it was traveling

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almost 5,000 miles an hour. And this again proved something completely beyond our present

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knowledge. That's a pretty fast turn. In another case, the captain of an electric four-engine

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transport reported to us, and he was held his name, but he's a veteran. He's been flying 25 years.

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As he was making an approach to the Washington area, a huge object came straight toward them,

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and he thought they were going to collide. He was just about to bank very hastily away when the

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object reversed course and disappeared, and he estimated its speed of departure and the realm

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of two to three thousand miles an hour. Could he estimate his closing speed to get an estimate

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on the craft speed coming toward him? Well, he was coming in at 230. He had followed down for

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his final approach, and this was the object came in and matched his speed for a few moments,

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then turned straight toward him. And as I say, it frightened everybody in the cockpit because

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I was the flight engineer. And then just as collision seemed almost inevitable,

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why did the thing reversed and disappeared at an absolutely incredible speed? Now, this aircraft

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was turning base leg in an on an approach at the time of the sighting?

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I wasn't on this base leg. It was coming in over Riverdale, and I have all that report file here,

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but I don't have all the details at the moment. All I know is he was at six thousand feet. He had

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been holding, and he was coming in to begin his procedure when this object appeared.

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I see. And then there was another case where a government official in

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I can't identify him any further than that because his superior told him not to reveal

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the name of the agency or his name. But this is confirmed. He was on official duty in the northwest

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part of the United States, and he did about 30 to 40 feet in diameter, swooped down right in front

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of his car, almost building the road between the telegraph poles on both sides. It came down

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straight out, even then shot up over the top and hovered. He jumped out of the car and looked

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at his hovered above his car for about a minute or two. And then it tilted up and took off at speed.

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He said several times the fastest jet speed. Now, on all of these normal sightings, now I heard

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you mention there, tilted up. Have all of these indicated some incline of the vehicle to propellant?

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In other words, rather than staying level, they've all inclined to some extent to take off?

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Well, not necessarily, but quite often you will, for these discs you're seeing, there will be a

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report of them tilting up for a very steep climb, although some of them have been seen to rise almost

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vertically without tilting. It is now fairly well certain that these things operate with a

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revolutionary type of propulsion involving an artificial gravity field. I mean, they simply

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could not maneuver in our atmosphere several thousand miles an hour if they were ordinary

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vehicles, because it would burn up from friction and they would cause funny booms that would be heard

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all over the country. Right, I can see that. Now, you say this is a rash of new sightings. Now,

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have these normally been in bunches type of thing? Your sightings maybe dribble for a while and then

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all of a sudden you'll have quite a few and then they'll stack off a bit? Well, there are always

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sightings, even in the periods that you might call a lull. There are some sightings come in and

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you're never sure whether it's a real lull because the military now keeps a very tight lid on this

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when they try to. Occasionally as this Navy case, something leaks out, but the Air Force has regulation,

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Air Force regulation 200-2, which prohibits anyone in the Air Force from revealing these things and

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discussing them with a public or the press without permission and a special direction to do it. So,

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there are a lot of sightings that we know go on, for instance, jet chases. The jets, whenever one of

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these things appears or is picked up on radar, it's mandatory that the Air Force defense jets

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immediately take off and try to identify the thing and bring it down. But so far as we know,

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no jet has ever been able to bring down one of these objects. It's simply too fast and they can out

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maneuver anything that we have. Do I understand that there has been some jets that have caught up

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to these though and that we've not heard of these jets again? Well, yes, it was one case for an F-89,

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a two-man jet pilot and radar officer, chased one of these objects for about 18 minutes. They

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swung out from the suit launch over Lake Superior and they were being watched by ground radar,

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Air Force ground radar. The radar men saw this object and the jet, the F-89, merged on their

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scope and that was the last anybody ever heard of saw the jet. They called and there was no,

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no Mayday call from the plane and there was no answer when they called it. For 48 hours,

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our Air Force and the Canadian Air Force and some surface mess were searched to a very wide area,

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about 100 miles radius and nothing in the wild slick, not a trace. Now, Major Keelow,

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I understand that you are the, is it chairman? Director of NICAP, which would be National

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Investigation Committee for Aerial Phenomena, is that right? Basically. Now, what is NICAP's

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basic purpose? Could we condense it pretty quick? I know there's a lot to it, but I wonder if you

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could give me a condensed step. It has been carrying on investigation for eight years. We

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have military aviation space experts and all the other types of experts we need to evaluate cases.

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We get all the information we can verify or discard a report that is evaluated by our experts and

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we announce the conclusion if we can and we also are trying to break what we consider dangerous

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secrecy. And this is done through our board of directors and scientific and technical advisors.

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And incidentally, if anyone has any report which has not been made public and we wish to give it to

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us either openly or confidentially or they want any other information, we say we'd write to us at

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NICAP, 1536 Connecticut Avenue in Washington. We had some very, very powerful cases sent to us

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by simply asking for them that way. I see. Now, did I understand that you're pushing for open

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investigation of the UFOs or is it opening of the files for information that's been received?

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No, we don't need to open the Air Force files. We have duplicates of hundreds of Air Force cases

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that we know exactly what they have. What we want to do is to have the secrecy ended versus

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end the danger of accidental war. Several times the strategic air command

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has launched bombers when they made our people picked up UFOs and thought they might be a secret

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Soviet attack. Now, of course, they were recalled the bombers. They found out the error, but this

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could lead to accidental war. And then the danger on the airlines of over 50 passengers have been

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injured in at least three different cases where policies are dived under one of these. I think

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it was a little too late to avoid a collision when the object came too close to them. So it's time

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for the thing to be out in the open and stop ridiculing it and try to show people what to

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expect and particularly pilots what to be prepared for. Now, can you give me your impression of UFOs?

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In other words, have you come up with a sound idea or basic premises to what these visual sightings

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are? Yes, we in fact, we parallel the Air Force top secret conclusion, which we know about because

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one of the former officials on the project is one of our board of governors.

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We believe we have concluded after examining several thousand reports, including Air Force reports,

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that these objects, the majority of them are disc shaped devices, apparently metallic,

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with a thickness of the center about one tenth of their diameter, that they are, they are capable

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of revolutionary speeds and maneuvers that obviously to superior to anything that we are even dreaming

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about, that they must come from some more advanced civilization. We don't know where. They maybe

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and probably are operating from a base on some planet in our galaxy or possibly from the other

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side of the moon that's been suggested by the scientists. I see. So then you do give these

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credences to being objects, material objects being operated by a intelligence and also

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of not being within this sphere here. That's right. That's exactly what the Air Force concluded,

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top secret estimate that they drew up. Now, I have one question. Did you

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get a report on the one that was seen in Grover's, Virginia by the,

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I think his name was Mr. Burns, investigated by Dr. Gaiman of the Mennonite University?

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Yes, we've looked into that very carefully. The important part of that is that Professor Gaiman

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checked the ground with a Geiger counter several days after and found it highly radioactive.

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Then this was confirmed by an engineer in the area, connected with the DuPont organization,

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and he said it was very hot, very radioactive. Now, the Air Force came in about three weeks later,

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but that time the radioactivity had died and they said that there was no trace of it. But

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because of this confirmation of the Geiger counter, we are not discarding this report,

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even though it is a very astounding one of the huge objects putting down there,

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about 200 yards from the road. I only have one thing on this. I spoke to Dr. Gaiman and did

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interview him. Now, I have some thoughts and retrospect on this. Perhaps you can help me on it.

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One is, was Dr. Gaiman actually qualified to run the Geiger counter to determine the radioactivity

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in the area? Now, I based this on one thing. Now, he said he pegged his needle on that Geiger counter

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and he found it was radioactive dust on the lens. Later, he pegged it again as soon as he was in the

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area. He had a blade of grass in there. Now, he said he did not take any samples back for analysis.

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And if it was so hot to peg that Geiger counter, would there not be some sort of radiation burns

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to Dr. Gaiman who spent over 15 minutes in the hot area? In other words, if he had pegged the

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Geiger counter, would that not have been a sufficient dose of radiation to cause him physical

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discomfort? And should there not have been analysis of the area to determine alpha and

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bary minors? Well, that's one of the things that we still have open. I see. Some of our experts on

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radiation are looking into that angle now. I don't know that he remained at the exact spot. He

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cramped all over the field and then he'd come back to this spot and then he'd go again and see if

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he could find any other place it was hot. So, I don't know how long he was actually on the

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standing in that hot area. Nor this engineer. That's one thing we're going to ask, but the

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confirmation by this engineer who came in independently, he heard that this was being

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checked and he came in and checked it and he confirmed that a very high count. But as I say

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that, we haven't closed it, we haven't accepted it, but we also have not rejected it. Well,

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I thank you very much for your information on there. We have quite a few nine cap members down

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here that are listening in and I'm sure they thoroughly enjoyed your speech. Best of luck to

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you. If there's anything that comes up of significance, I would appreciate it any time to

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give me a call and we'd be happy to inform our people down here. Thank you very much, Mr. Rosch.

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Thank you, Major Kehoe and goodbye for now. Goodbye. Very nice gentleman who gave us probably a few

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more facts than we've had before. Major Kehoe retired the U.S. Marine Corps who is currently

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in charge of NICAP, the National Investigative Committee for Aerial Phenomena and he stated

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his case as to what he believes and to what they're trying to accomplish. Of course, we take no

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stand either way. I'm just interested as an average citizen like you.